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Update – Sept 12, 2023
I now think the two-cent postage stamp option only applies to local/drop letters where the recipient is serviced by that post office. If one drops off a letter at the post office, and the letter should be delivered to a location within the coverage area of that post office, then the postage rate is two cents.
The laws says if the letter does not use U.S. mail (routes), then the postage rate is two cents per ounce.
Mail does not mean everything done by the post office. Mail means the routes, specifically ones managed by United States (the federation admin). Local letters obviously don’t use those routes.
Domestic is relative:
- Domestic means one’s kitchen if one is standing in one’s home.
- Domestic means federation activities and/or land if it relates to United States, in Congress Assembled.
- Non-domestic to United States means the 50 united states (and everywhere else)
Note that first class is synonymous with domestic.
Therefore, before proceeding, I want to say I see three types of, shall I say, correspondence:
- Local drop letters: two cents per ounce
- U.S. Mail / First Class / Domestic letters: 63 cents per ounce
- Non-domestic state-to-state letters: ?????? cents per ounce. Same as domestic price?
I want to find out what is the cost to send non-domestic letters from one post office to another. Perhaps they will tell me that they only have U.S. mail routes from post office to post office and therefore I must pay that rate whether or not it’s domestic or not.
United States (meaning govt operations) needs to get their work done, and therefore they have these mails/routes. They offer to take other letters for a fee.
Maybe USPS does not know what to charge for non-domestic, ‘without United States’ correspondence and therefore defaults to the lower drop-letter rate. I can firmly state the letters are not first-class domestic correspondence. I’m not going to back down on that point.
I did check if 2nd class might have the answer, but that is still U.S. mail (routes) and for letters without written correspondence (meaning typed in modern times). Likewise with 3rd class U.S. mail.
USPS is a not government. It’s a corporation. I think it was created by the federation. Not sure if the federation still owns it. Regardless, as a corporation, it executes the U.S. Mail routes. But it can have other customers, such as myself. I just need to find out the rate for non-domestic non-U.S. mail. I don’t work for the federation. I’m not sending U.S. correspondence. What is the rate for me?
Update – Jan 02, 2023
- See new post about using these letters and postcards to establish status and jurisdiction
Update – Aug 15, 2022
Letter received. Sent from Virginia to Tennessee and without United States.
Here’s a note from someone within Texas:
(1) A reader of Educated in Law sent a letter to a friend this month. I also sent a letter to this reader, who took advantage of our offer to send a letter with four cents postage
(2) I also sent few letters to people well-known in the freedom movement, such as radio hosts. Each stamp in the photo is two cents for a total of four cents for non-domestic letter.
Thou does not live in United States, and here’s the way to test it.
More specifically, thou lives within an American State that is part of the USofA union which differs from United States.
Send a letter to thy home or to a friend and follow the rules laid out below – such as putting ‘Non-Domestic’ on the from and to.
It’s possible to send letters with only two cents postage within a state or between states because the states are considered Without United States (meaning not within United States).
The rate for the states has not been raised in 50 years!
Letters sent within and between the states is non-domestic (in the eyes of the federal government), because domestic means federal land and territory when stated by the federal government. Domestic mail is within United States.
- Domestic mail costs 55 cents. – Federal land and territories
- Non-domestic letters costs two cents. – within and between each of the 50 states.
This is because the postage (and laws) of United States do not apply to Virginia or any of the other states. The laws of United States apply to the territories. Domestic does not mean Virginia or any of the other states.
To prove this, we send letters with two cents postage (I use four cents) from one state to another or within a state.
The letter below was sent from Nevada to Virginia with four cents of postage.
Via the post office, through the mail slot. Real deal. No deception. No evasion. No crime.
Scroll down to see the seven key things to do to stay non-domestic, without United States.
For some context, United States does not mean The United States of America.
United States comprises three things.
- the federal government itself (the offices, bases, embassies)
- the territories (Guam, Puerto Rico, District of Columbia)
- the federal land within each of the 50 states (the forts, the ports, the land for the Pentagon, etc)
The blue boxed area is United States.
The blue-boxed area has different postage (and different laws), all of which do not apply to the 50 states. The postage for United States does not apply to Virginia, etc.
- Within Blue Box (above): To send from one federal area to another, meaning within the blue box: 55 cents. e.g. to send from Guam to Puerto Rico: 55 cents.
- Without Blue Box (above): But to send from Arizona to Virginia: 2 cents (i use four cents).
I use four cents since I’m a big spender. Some people say it’s two cents while others say three, so that’s why I use four cents.
Here are the seven to eight steps:
- Affix two two-cent stamps. (yes, these are sold at the post office!)
- Send from the letter slot at the post office! Drop the letter into the slot. Do not use the blue boxes!
- Do not use Zip codes – these codes are used by the federal government to map its territories and federal land within each of the 50 states. I’m sure Walmart and Amazon have company codes to map and designate their vast amounts of holdings and fulfillment centers as well. No zips!
- Spell out the state name: Virginia, Texas, Utah.
- Do not use letter-combinations such CA and NY.
- These refer to federal areas within California and New York.
- NY does not mean New York! Crazy, right? Technically, NY is not even an abbreviation for New York. NY means the federal enclaves within New York (state).
- Do not use any abbreviations. Spell out street, avenue, and all other words.
- Write Non-Domestic beneath the return location and the To location. And adjacent to the stamps.
- Write Without United States at bottom of letter and to the left of stamps
- If using this for trade, then i think one might write ‘Not commerce’. I have not tested this. But know that commerce is on the water! (mer means sea in French). so if a business sends from one state to another, not on water, this is not commerce, in my opinion. Trade is on the land. Commerce is on the waterways.
Given name: Family Name (always put punctuation between given name and family name)
123 West Post Office Street
New York, New York
without United States
Given name: Family Name
321 East Your Street
Without United States
Offer: Received a non-domestic postcard for $1 service fee
I will send thee a non-domestic postcard for a service fee of one dollar. I have a mail-merge process to make this easy for me. I don’t really make money on this. I want to get the word out. See this offer/extra on my page on Buy Me a Coffee.
Update: Establish status and jurisdiction with the letter
See my new post about Kris of the Kringles using letters from the post office to prove he is Santa: Claus, as shown in the famous Christmas film, Miracle on 34th Street.
- See post: Using non-domestic letters to establish domicile. A miracle on thy street. Kris of the Kringles did it this way.
Found this on a Facebook page:
- “Address” = place of “Residence”. If you admit to having an “Address”, you have admitted to being a “Resident” and “Resident Agent” for the government corporation. You have just admitted to being liable and responsible for the debts of the Corporation (your fair share), and under the 14th AMENDMENT. If you ARE a “corporate fiction, person, subject” (Individual), you DO have an address.
- “Individual” = “corporate Officer” (Agent, resident Agent, Member, Citizen, Licensee, Voter, Taxpayer, etc.
- “Mail Matter” = sent between government created fictitious Venue zones.
- (Government Z.I.P = Zone Improvement Program) with TWO CAPITAL LETTERS and NUMBERS, “FICTITIOUS ADDRESS” (which is a violation of US Code Title 18, Section 1341 and 1342 “Mail Fraud”) – See also The Buck Act
- Remember your STRAWMAN NAME is your born name in CAPITAL LETTERS. I.e. John Andrew Doe is his born name. JOHN ANDREW DOE is his STRAWMAN NAME or his fiction name or corporation name.
- Example: All credit application come addressed to you in your born name, once you enter into a commercial contract with the credit card company they have to use your STRAWMAN NAME, your corporation name, your FICTION NAME.
- We are sending letters. We are not sending mail or through the mails, which is a reference to the ‘mails of the United States’, which we are not using. The ‘mails’ may be the routes.
- We are not sending to an address. “Address” means work, as in, “My manager addressed this issue yesterday” or “Will thou address this tomorrow?”. As noted above, ‘address’ may mean where a ‘resident’ works. Resident is a professional role, such as a Resident at a hospital, and FBI has resident offices.
- We send through the post office, not United States Postal Service, which is a private corporation subcontractor that delivers ‘mail’ and our drop letters. We access the post office by…going to the post office and dropping our letters into the slot on the wall. Use the slot. Don’t use the blue boxes.
- We don’t use zip codes because they are an overlay of the federal government on the land of the states to direct their federal activities. Zip codes are internal guidelines of the federal government. For internal use! If thou doesn’t work for the federal government, don’t use their codes.
- Similar to the above, we don’t use the CA, NY, TX, etc. because these are also a federal overlay on the states. We use the State names.
This law has never been updated, evidently.
bk 12 statutes at large chapter 71 section 23
Note how they describe the ‘mails of the United States“.
- Mail is something specific to United States. “Mails” may be routes on federal territory.
- When sending a letter “not transmitted through the mails of the United States”, then the postage rate is only two cents per half ounce of weight.
Wow! Per my request, a Library of Congress librarian found the relevant portion of the Statutes at Large.
“Your citation refers to the following nine-page March 3, 1863 act:
An Act to Amend the Laws Relating to the Post-Office Department, ch. 71, 12 Stat. 701 (1863)
The text may be found in volume 12 of the United States Statutes at Large beginning at page 701, with section 23 viewed on page 705. For links, see the page-view options provided by the U.S. House Office of the Law Revision Counsel as well as the PDF large-file-download options from the Library of Congress:
- House.gov. 12 Stat. 701, with section 23, on page 705 http://uscode.house.gov/statviewer.htm?volume=12&page=705
- Loc.gov. 12 Stat. 701, with section 23, on page 705 https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/llsl//llsl-c37/llsl-c37.pdf#page=451
Tax code defines United States geographically
In 26 USC 7701, the tax code defines United States as only the District of Columbia.
(9) United States
The term “United States” when used in a geographical sense includes only the States and the District of Columbia.
The term “State” shall be construed to include the District of Columbia, where such construction is necessary to carry out provisions of this title.
The second clause used to say District of Columbia, Hawaii and Alaska. Originally, Hawaii and Alaska were territories. So the clause said, State shall be construed to include the District of Columbia, Alaska and Hawaii. But they revised the clause to remove Hawaii and Alaska but did not reword the clause. Now it sounds odd, because when we combine (9) and (10), we get, “The term ‘United States’ when used in a geographical sense includes only the States, meaning District of Columbia, and the District of Columbia.”
I bring this up only to show that United States always means something different than the 50 states and can mean only DC and evidently not even the ports or forts!
In 26 U.S. Code § 3121, we see something more explicit:
The term “United States” when used in a geographical sense includes the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.
Don’t be fooled by the word ‘include’. Contrary to what the gov’t ‘schools’ teach, the word ‘includes’ is restrictive and limiting to anything in the same class that is not mentioned. So United States includes Puerto Rico, etc, and any other territory not mentioned. But it does not ‘include’ a state. It should be obvious that there is a world of difference between Ohio and Guam.
So again, I just mention it here that we write Without United States on the letter, this does not mean without the USofA or without North America, it simply means without (or not within) the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.
Me will send a drop-letter to all donors who buy me a coffee
We will send thee a letter with two stamps postage as proof. Here’s the offer to send a letter with four cents postage
- Add thy location in the memo field of the payment.
- For questions, post below or write to guide @ educatedinlaw.org — remove the spaces.
The federal government (United States) speaks to people and corporations which it controls. These are the people who work for the government and the people who live on the territories. It focuses on the rules that apply to these people. These people send letters domestically, and the postage cost is 55 cents.
We mistakenly think we either:
- work for the federal government or
- we live in a territory.
That’s why they have the public schools. To teach you gibberish, lies.
It’s insanely wicked! We must thank them for this challenge! Not really.
One final point: this is about more than postage. This is about status–political status. Laws within United States are different from laws without United States.
So have some fun. Learn something new. Send a friend a letter for two or four cents.
- After reading the law, it reminds me of the difference between driving and traveling. Sending a letter within United States is part of the ‘mail’ while sending a letter without United States is using a carrier. It’s not mail. Similarly, if one is not using a car for commerce, then it’s not driving, it’s traveling. Words have consequences!
- Another word for this area is…domestic. Domestic does not mean USA vs. France. Domestic means areas under federal control; federal land. Oregon is non-domestic. Federal land within Oregon is domestic. And the postage within United States–the domestic zone–is 55 cents. The United States does not include Virginia, Oregon, or any other of the 50 states.
- Arizona and Virginia are without United States. They are non-domestic. They are part of the union called The United States of America, but they are not part of United States. How could they be? Arizona is not federal territory.
- Postage for non-domestic letters, that is Without the United States is two or three cents per 1/2 ounce.
- Because they never raised the price of non-domestic letters, since no one knows it exists. It’s the same price from possibly 1970…
- For more context, this letter is not using addresses. An ‘address’ is a location in the federal zone! I know this is hard to get at first. But every darn word is related to the federal zone: the territories and the federal government buildings and land.
- Know that you do NOT have an ‘address’. An address is a location in the United States. Yes, that’s what ‘address’ means, in their policy book.
- Something can be without United States but within United States of America. In one of the founding documents, it is called, “United States, in Congress Assembled”. Or just “United States” for short.
- See also these perjury statements for within and without United States.
- The United States is separate and foreign to the 50 states.
- Note, three-cent stamps may be necessary, as stated here. Try sending with two cents and also separately with three cents.
- So, stay without United States when mailing a letter and save a bit of money and have some fun and learn something. Comment below!!!
Mail versus Drop Letters “Mail” is letter sent through the ‘mails’ of United States (meaning federal govt, DC, PR and other territories) “Drop letters’ are letters sent without United States but within The United States of America, meaning within one of the 50 (nation) states or between them The word drop may have something to do with that we must drop the letters into the slot of the post office. Not sure. See this screenshot of USPS. They promote ‘domestic mail’. We’re sending the letter domestic. It’s non-domestic with respect to UNITED STATES. And we’re not sending mail, we’re sending a (drop) letter. So we’re definitely not sending ‘domestic mail’.
Within USofA but without United States
In a related example, here is an important perjury section of the U.S. Code that explains how to sign if related to matters without (not connected to) the United States but still under the laws of the United States of America.
If executed without the United States: “I declare (or certify, verify, or state) under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on (date).(Signature)”.
If executed within the United States, its territories, possessions, or commonwealths: “I declare (or certify, verify, or state) under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on (date).(Signature)”.
Men or women can send letters without the united states but still be under/within the United States of America.
i was afraid at first, now not a big deal
Before I really knew that my state is a nation-state, that United States is just the territories and federal land, i was a little nervous about sending a letter with four cents. But once I saw what was really going on, i dropped letters in the box slot with full knowledge that I was actually doing the right thing by not using the ‘mails’ of the United States (territories). Who am I to use their mail channels? I send letters without United States.
Opposing View from 1998
(1) From an article about this topic. I think this misses the point that if one follows the rules above, the postage is two cents. If not, then the postage is 55 cents.POSTAL OFFICIALS TRY TO STAMP OUT 2-CENT SCHEME – Sun Sentinel (sun-sentinel.com)
- “The now-defunct regulation said that postage for first-class mail weighing two ounces or less was 2 cents plus the regular rate, which was 6 cents at the time.
- “It never said it was OK to use 2-cent stamps,” Hudson said.
- “They’re misrepresenting a law that’s obsolete,” he said. “I would classify what they’re doing as downright nasty. People think they can get something for nothing, but we hope to bring some legal action against them.”
(2) this web page seems to say that drop letters are letters sent within a town.
(3) Wikipedia says, “The 1845 Congressional act did, in fact, raise the rate on one significant class of mail: the so-called “drop letter”—i. e., a letter delivered from the same post office that collected it. Previously one cent, the drop letter rate became two cents. (See wikipedia)
Maybe the phrase ‘drop letters’ is inaccurate for what I describe on this page. Maybe the key is to put ‘non-domestic’ to get the non-domestic rate. United States is focused on DC and the territories and maybe they forgot (or cannot) change the non-domestic rate.
(4) another article mentions drop letters.
Educating the postal workers
I can imagine if thy local post office rejects the letters and sends them back to thee, it might be necessary to educate them about the law noted above.
Our responsibility is to educate all public servants and the employees of the companies they hire (USPS) about the laws of the land.
Order 2-cent stamps from USPS
USPS sells a sheet of 20 stamps for a whopping $0.40 with $1.50 handling fee.
$1.50 handling fee.
Letters Received – Proof
Letter received. Sent from within Virginia to within Tennessee – All without United States (meaning not within United States; either territorial or the federal government’s offices)
Here’s a note from someone within Texas:
- Detailed directions for non-domestic mail
- Facebook page with good summary and details
- The 1970 ‘act’ that creates the USPS – maybe something in here can help us – Postal Reorg Act
- Family Guardian directions – very good
- Abodia.com – Mail Rates
- Zip Code invokes federal jurisdiction
- Scribd article – paywall
- Zip Codes referenced in Wizard of Oz